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08 September 2010

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Kozmos

I am surprised that nobody found anything wrong with Domingo's low range! Many of Rigoletto's dramatic moments are written in this register which is clearly without depth and sonority in this great tenor's voice which needs to resonate above the orchestra. Also Raimondo's bass doesn't crackle and menace for those beautifully written evil low notes. The 3 young leads sing and act beautifully and I agree that so much sweat & spit detracts from the drama which is generally of a high standard.

ridinghood

oh, and one more thing... the callas gobbi stefano is a Rigoletto for ever... nobody can top that.

ridinghood

oh I found it... top of the line... nice... but Elaine, did you really only go for the locale? had you seen domingo do rigoletto before? there was something bittersweet about seeing him on film with Raimondi, who was Domingo's Escamillo in the filmed Carmen so many years ago, when only Raimondi had some white hair.... but so nice to see he still sings, we dont get him any more on this side of the atlantic...

ridinghood

what happened to my posting an hour ago?

Elaine Simpson-Long

Ridinghood - I really do feel the location could have been used more in this performance. One of the reasons I was looking forward to seeing this was to see more 'outside' and I felt rather cheated at the end.

And yes the sweat pouring off PD was a tad off putting....

ridinghood

ten more cent's worth....just got back from a cinema presentation of the Rigoletto, and I had to confess that as much as I loved it, I found myself distracted in the most dramatic moments watching the sweat drip off Placido's nose onto poor Gilda's face, and wondering how wet is she going to be by the end of the scene. Since this was not filmed in one long shot, I am not sure why the duke and rigoletto had to be bathed in sweat in every scene, while gilda seemed cool and dry, except for what she was bathed in by her men.... Anyway, also agree that they wasted the locales with every scene in close up, was dying to see what was beyond the window they stood singing in, what did the rest of the alley look like, but then again, the one place we did see in more detail, the amazing courtyard of Rigoletto's house, he could have never afforded on a jester's salary.... and this has always been my pet pieve - did he really hide his daughter across the street from the biggest of Mantua's courtiers, Ceprano? was Rigoletto THAT stupid? though anyone who asks his daughter "chi t'a colpita?" having just paid for her assassin, has to be pretty dumb... and so on, and so forth.
But I was thrilled to see/hear Domingo in yet another conquest, and you all have forgotten Macbeth!!!! Let's hope he does remember it...
And Grigolo is a wonderful new addition to the star tenor roster...

Mick

Yes... Nabucco would be a goer, as would Iago I think, although he may be a little old now for it. There are several other Verdi roles in the lesser known operas, think I Due Foscari or Giovanna D'Arco. He is apparently doing Athaneal in Thais soon... and there are several good high baritone roles he could essay in that rep. The one thing I hope he NEVER does is Don Giovanni. There has been lots of talk about it over several decades, and a little recently... so fingers crossed that doesn't happen.

Elaine Simpson-Long

AJ - thank you so much for your most interesting and detailed comment and thank you for taking the trouble and time to write. My sister has just visited me today and she and I both have a great love for this opera as she too learned Rigoletto from the Gobbi recording. While we both enjoyed it, she felt the same as I that there were too many close ups and it felt very closed in. The Tosca in Rome some ten years or more ago now, was also done the same way and was much more open with much more usage of the locations and I think this is why I found this somewhat lacking.

I have no beef with PD extending his career and singing as long as he is able to and I certainly have no complaint about the sound of his voice, but it sounded too effortful at times and I really felt he was in distress at one point, physical distress that is. So it will be interesting to see what he does next. I gather an opera of Il Postino has been written for him (not sure if I have this correct just something I heard)which should be interesting.

Not sure that there is any particular time when it is right and correct go stop singing and retire from the opera stage and certainly it is down to the artist to decide this and not the public. Wonder if he will do thisrole on the stage, if so I shall certainly go and see it and I simply LOVE Rigoletto.

As for Grigolo's vibrato, I did not find it too obtrusive and he certainly gave it some welly which, let's face it, this role does!

Once again thank you for your comments and I hope you drop by again when I write something else on Random Music.

AJ

Hello Elaine,
I have to disagree a bit with the issue of 'realism' cause when I heard that being brought up as one of the points of contention around the web, it seemed to me that people had run out of reasons to complain. I don't know why this Rigoletto is suddenly judged against stage productions, and why opera fans' sensibilities are offended by messy close-ups. Yes, operas in the theater are a different animal, but not many people have bought a pricy ticket to the theater without seeing at least some opera on TV. As for fans, who hasn't seen all the live Met high-def broadcasts, or all the DVDs of stage productions? We should be used to the spit and sweat, sports fans certainly allow it from the athletes, this is similar. Domingo, for his part, has always been a notorious drooler, just gobs of it falling down, but while it just made him "earnest" in the 1970s now that he's old it's unsightly or sickly or something. As a matter of fact, he is also a cougher, and it seems that he forgot that he wasn't unmiked on stage for this Rigoletto.

My main beef with this production is that it is too bloated. This results in tentative performances, and sometimes a deer in the headlights look, and Domingo in particular seems to have abandoned entire facets of Rigoletto's personality for the sake of not screwing up. When I see something like that, I just wonder why sign up for it, or why make your first foray into a role on such a 'grand' scale? He would have come off better in something that wasn't filmed like this.

But as far as him coming off better in general, it is clear now that to many, many people he has outstayed his welcome. This is expected, but to me a shame: one, the older performer has something to offer that the younger didn't have, and two, it shows that no matter how intelligently (though sometimes compulsively) you manage your career, it always turns sour near the end. People say a lot of inanities, you read some of them, and they are clearly reviewing under the influence of all the CANCER SURGERY!!!! headlines earlier this year.. The rest I won't even bother to mention.

Rigoletto was one of my first introductions into opera at a young age, and with Trovatore it is at the very top of my favorite Verdi (who is in turn my favorite to begin with). I LOVE Domingo's Verdi line, and I love his mature voice, therefore I can't blame him for wanting to do Verdi baritone roles, rather than something fluffier. It of course is not the sound of someone who trained as a baritone and sang as one for decades, but he pays attention to color, and-- for example-- was a lot darker and gruffer sounding here than from what I've heard of the BBC Proms Boccanegra, which was one of the few recordings of that run that I didn't like at all. Furthermore, there are complaints that he should retire because his voice has now lost its 'beauty', but if he sang Rigoletto 'beautifully' you can imagine what the complaints would be.

When I first heard about him doing Rigoletto I laughed. It's Domingo being Domingo, one can say, and upon seeing it, it made me laugh further that he didn't even bother to limp or slouch. It was a relief too, considering I was really hoping it wouldn't get hammy. But it was tentative and hesitant, and as I said-- with whole facets missing-- which is why it seemed only half-done. I have to give props to Novikova and Surguladze, I thought they were good considering the circumstances. I had never heard Grigolo before in my life, and his vibrato in some parts seriously had to be heard to be believed.
So, yes, far from ideal, which is why I don't like this type of venture in the first place.

bruessel

"The tenor who sang the Duke was pretty damn good and he looked pretty damn good as well."
I completely agree, his name is Vittorio Grigolo, I think this is a name to remember.
On Belgian TV, Placido Domingo gave a brief introductory talk and said it was not his idea to sing the part of Rigoletto, but the producer's, Andrea Andermann (who was also responsible for the live broadcast of Tosca), and when Domingo objected that he could surely find a good baritone, Anderman said he wanted to do it with Domingo or not at all.

Elaine Simpson-Long

Ah I had forgotten about him!! We shall see if he turns his attention to it. Have been trying to think of other baritone roles by other composers he could also do but have drawn a blank at the moment. Perhaps Moses by Rossini? Posa in Don Carlos? but think he is a bit too old for that (sorry Placido...)

Natarinka

Another great leading 'father' role could perhaps be Nabucco?

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